NEW HBS QUESTIONS. SEE MY INTERVEIW ABOUT THESE IN POETS AND QUANTS
NEW HBS QUESTIONS. SEE MY INTERVEIW ABOUT THESE IN POETS AND QUANTS
BELOW IS LETTER TO SENT TO THOSE HARDY SURVIVORS OF THE HBS WAITLIST, THE ONES WHO WERE THERE SINCE ROUND ONE–IT REVEALS THAT WL HAS 178 PEEPS AND THEY PLAN TO TAKE 25-50.
SK SAYS: MORE LIKE 25 BUT A LOT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS W. YIELD IN ROUND 2, AS DEE NOTES.
ONCE AGAIN, GOTTA GIVE DEE CREDIT, IF THERE IS ANY OTHER SCHOOL THAT TELLS WLERS HOW MANY ARE ON THE WL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
March 29, 2012
It’s March 29, the date we are notifying all Round 2 applicants of their status. You have every reason to expect a “final” decision today. After all, you applied in Round 1 and have been on the waitlist since mid-December.
Instead, I am asking if you will remain on the waitlist until mid-May. I can say with certainty that we will be making more offers to Round 1 waitlist candidates, but not until after our Round 2 response date of May 3.
You are a “qualified” candidate for HBS…no doubts. This is about the challenge of shaping a class, which is more complicated than evaluating the capabilities of individuals.
I can’t assess your individual chances of being offered a place. If it helps, you are among 178 candidates on the waitlist; this includes both Rounds 1 and 2 applicants. I predict that we will be able to offer admission to between 25 and 50 waitlisters – but this is just my prediction.
Dana Scalisi will continue to be your contact person. Please let her know via email if you’d like to remain on the waitlist or remove yourself from consideration.
We sincerely appreciate your patience and will do our best to keep you informed.
Harvard Business School
Soldiers Field Road
Boston, MA 02163
BELOW IS MY ANNOTATED VERSION OF DEE’S MOST RECENT BLOG ABOUT HBS ROUND 2 WAITLIST AND SOME OTHER MATTERS
Plan is to send emails out at noon on Thursday. Congratulatory calls will follow, but we don’t do admissions notification via phone.
A few things:
HBS doesn’t make any financial aid awards at the time of admission. So don’t feel slighted that you don’t see any $$ mentioned. We have (very) generous financial aid available to our students – both US and international citizens – but it’s all need-based. One more thing about financial aid: it’s not a “rolling” process – as in, we don’t run out of need-based money. Round 3 admits have access to exactly the same resources as Round 1.
The waitlist. Yes, there will be waitlist invitations going out on Thursday.
[YES, BUT WILL THOSE BE FOR ROUND 2 APPLICANTS, OR CONTINUING WL FOR ROUND 1 APPLICANTS WHO DID NOT GET CALLED THIS PAST WEEK, E.G. THE LUCKY 50, SEE BELOW--SK ]
I know for sure we are going to use the waitlist [DUH!] – probably beginning in early May and trying to wrap it up by early June. My guess is we’ll be able to make somewhere between 25 and 50 offers to waitlisters – some from Round 1 [OK, SO SOME ROUND ONE WLers WHO WERE NOT LUCKY 50 WILL BE RE-WL] and some from Round 2 [DUH2] – in addition to the 50 or so we made earlier this month. [WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE NO FREAKING WAY OF EVER KNOWING ABOUT UNLESS YOU HAD BEEN READING SANDY'S BLOG ETC. BUT SINCE I ASSUME YOU ALL DO, NO NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS ]At this point, this is a guess – Dana Scalisi will keep waitlisters updated. [DUH13] Feedback for denied candidates post-interview. I carve out time to respond to calls from candidates who have been through the interview process. These calls are rarely dramatic – and I am resolved to not be prescriptive [THAT MEANS SHE WON'T TELL YOU WHETHER TO REAPPLY OR NOT] about the future. The vast majority are reassurance that it wasn’t anything that is or went wrong…but simply the challenge of comprising a class rich in diversity of backgrounds and perspectives. [THAT IS ACTUALLY ONLY PARTIALLY TRUE, TO HER GREAT CREDIT SOME OF THOSE DING CALLS HAVE SMALL GEMS OF USEFUL INFO --SHE CANNOT HELP HERSELF, TO HER GREAT CREDIT] Details about phone hours will be in the decision letter.
As always, I hope this is helpful. To all of you who are waiting, please know that we appreciate your enthusiasm and patience.
RELIABLE SOURCE NOTES THAT HBS ADMITTED SOME ROUND 1 KIDS OFF WL TODAY.
YOU RECALL THAT HBS SAID THEY WOULD TAKE 50 OR SO OFF ROUND 1 WL,
one must salute their transparency compared to WL news from other schools, once again HBS shines in this anxious-making process
March 8, 2012
We have been busy interviewing our Round 2 applicants these past few weeks and this will continue until next Tuesday, March 13. I know you’ve been patiently waiting for something to happen, and the time is now – we will begin the process of re-reviewing our Round 1 waitlist candidates, and hope to begin making final decisions on as many of you as possible.
We expect that right now, we have room in the class for about 50 candidates from the Round 1 waitlist.
To facilitate our ability to make decisions, I ask that you confirm with me via email by Monday, March 12 your desire to be considered for admission. Please have the courtesy to be sincere in your response; if you have indeed made other plans, I would appreciate your letting me know so that we would seriously consider only those who would plan to matriculate if offered a place in the class.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Assistant Director, MBA Admissions
Harvard Business School
Soldiers Field Road
Boston, MA 02163
January 31, 2012
Even though the first of the month isn’t until tomorrow, I thought an “early edition” of the monthly waitlist update might be helpful.
Today we are sending out the first wave of interview invitations to Round 2 candidates. Here’s how this affects the waitlist:
For candidates who have NOT been interviewed yet:
For candidates who have ALREADY BEEN INTERVIEWED:
You should not expect any activity on your application this month. We will revisit your application again in March as we make decisions on the Round 2 candidates. Many of you should expect a final decision on your application on March 29, the decision notification date for Round 2. I will send another update in mid-March as to how we’ll be communicating decisions.
Since we do not plan to make decisions any earlier than what I have outlined above, we understand that some of you may require a different timeline; if so, and you would like to remove yourself from our waitlist, please email me at email@example.com.
I hope this is helpful! Thank you for your patience, and please contact me if you have any questions.
Her Royal Highness, and HBS adcom Dee Leopold, in a blog message has noted that HBS will put 120 applicants on the WL on Round One Decision Day (December 19th, 2011).
Some back-of-the envelope nubmers based on her blog entry (there is a link to it above and it is reprinted at the end of this entry).
~850 total round one interviews
(source: historical data, personal sources, data from sign up sheets)
120 on Waitlist (source Dee’s blog)
730 left (source Euclid)
in the past, HBS has had a 59pct post-interview admit nubmer, which is historical, and has been confirmed by HBS on occassion, but do not sue me if that number has changed, altho I think it is +/-5 valid
If you apply that 59 pct to the 730, you get 430 admits, but you really need to apply it to the 850
to get 501, but 501 admits will not be sent out on D-Day, because some of those ultimate admits will be on the WL.
But WL admit is not 59 pct (by a long shot). Sooo, have fun and good luck figuring out how many admits go out on D-Day
I say, 480 or so. Based on what?
the above and some hunches.
850 kids Waiting Right Now Who Have Been Interviewed
Genius Boy, me predicts, of those 850
see below for Her Majesty’s Blog Entry.
Round 1 Notification
Date: December 12, 2011
It’s a week away…so I thought some details might be in order.
In addition to admit and deny notifcations, we will also be inviting about 120 or so candidates who have been interviewed to join our waitlist. All waitlisters will receive additional information from Dana Scalisi, who manages this process.
For candidates who are denied admission after an interview, there will also be information about call-in hours in January if anyone would like to have a conversation with me. I wouldn’t call these “feedback” calls since they aren’t very detailed…but sometimes it can be reassuring to hear that there were not specific weaknesses in an application, but rather just the reality of a highly selective process with the goal of maximizing the mix of voices and perspectives in the classroom.
For those of you in waiting mode, I send you all good wishes for distraction.
HAHA, IGNORE THIS–I HAVE OTHER AND MORE RELIABLE INFO THAT HBS INTERVIEW PATTERNS WILL BE AT HISTORICAL LEVELS, E.G. ~850 INVITES FOR ROUND ONE.
I AM LEAVING IT UP TO SHOW THAT EVEN HOMER NODS.
DID HBS SEND OUT MORE ROUND ONE INTERVIEW INVITES THAN IN THE PAST?
HBS may have sent out more than the traditional 800-1000 Round One interview invites, some say, WAY more, which will change the generic post-interview accept rate from its historical 60 pct to possibly under 50pct or even less.
Sources are year-to-year stats from freq. interview magnets like IB firms and Consulting shops, and just free-floating rumors. My own data supports this rumor -year-to-year the percent of my clients who got invites was up, a significant chunk, and while I’d like to think it is my own genius, well, it could be just a new policy at HBS to interview more kids.
Traditionally, HBS has interviewed 1800 kids over 3 rounds for 1000 admits, so the post interivew accept rate was ~60 pct. This year HBS may interview WAY more kids, driving the rate down below 50 or even 40 pct.
Developing . . . .IF TRUE, bad news all around . . .since if you got an invite, your chances are not 60 pct, they are less, and if you did not get an invite, well, you were not even close.
NOBEL PRIZE ADVICE FOR YOUR HBS INTERVIEW
1. GO FOR PAR, NOT A BIRDIE
2. SCHEDULE IT RIGHT AFTER LUNCH
A recent article in the New York Times summarizes some research from Nobel Prize winning economists Kahneman and Tversky about so-called ‘rational behavior’ and findings might be helpful to those facing an HBS interview.
I am less sure about the timing (after lunch) issue, but their work supports my advice about the interview, that you should focus on not blowing it, rather than trying to score a birdie (by bragging, taking risks, etc. ).
Who You Are
Kahneman and Tversky . . . proved that people rely on unconscious biases and rules of thumb to navigate the world, for good and ill. Many of these biases have become famous: priming, framing, loss-aversion.
Kahneman reports on some delightful recent illustrations from other researchers.
1. Pro golfers putt more accurately from all distances when putting for par than when putting for birdie because they fear the bogie more than they desire the birdie.
2. Israeli parole boards grant parole to about 35 percent of the prisoners they see, except when they hear a case in the hour just after mealtime. In those cases, they grant parole 65 percent of the time.
HER MAJESTY ANNOUNCES ROUND ONE INTERVIEW SCHEDULES FOR HBS –FYI, LAST YEAR, WITH SIMILAR COUGHING AND DUMURRING ABOUT NOW ALGORITHM–A GOOD DEAL OF THE INVITES WENT OUT IN THE FIRST WEEK OR SO OF THE WINDOW.
Round 1 Interviews
|Date:||October 04, 2011|
I know that the feeling of triumph from submitting an application can be short-lived – and gives way to Phase 2, the “Anxiety of Waiting about an Interview.” Please be assured that we are in full-scale reading mode as of this morning – all hands are on deck. Let me walk you through Round 1:
- October 3: Deadline for receiving applications has just passed.
- October 26 – November 9: Interview invitations will be issued via email. Please read this part carefully – We don’t have some complicated and/or malevolent algorithm that determines which interview invitations go out first or last or even how many go out on any given day. If you’d like to suggest one, give me a call.
- November 9: All candidates not invited to interview will receive one of two communications – “We are unable to offer you a place in the Class of 2014″ or an invitation to join our waitlist.
- November 7 – approximately November 29: Interview weeks, both on and off campus. Off campus locations in Round 1 include New York City, Palo Alto, London, Paris, Dubai, Sao Paulo, and Shanghai.
- December 19: Decision notification (admit, deny, or waitlist) for all interviewed candidates.
Now, I need to repeat language I used last year because I can’t think of a better way to say it. While no one applies hoping for a “deny” decision, we have heard you say that the worst case is extended uncertainty. We think that getting news out on November 9 is helpful so that denied candidates can re-direct energy toward Round 2 applications to other schools. Yes, we have the resources to ensure a thorough review of all applications before rendering any decisions. All applications are reviewed at least twice. Our Admissions Board is fully staffed and able to make this work.
All those invited to join our waitlist are candidates whom we would like to “further consider.” Our plan is for waitlisted candidates to receive further consideration in Round 2. Our intent is for all to receive a final decision by the time we make Round 2 notifications in late March. We completely understand if such a candidate might elect to withdraw his/her application.
I promise that all letters will clearly communicate a candidate’s status.
Most of all, we thank all Round 1 applicants for all the hard work and high aspirations that go into these applications. We are humbled and committed to doing our very best to give all candidates full and careful consideration